The Hindu's policy is against the death penalty. Let's see what Ram says now.
Supreme court justices don't care about TV talk shows. They worry about case law. This case will end up in the supreme court since I expect the government to tell the high court that there is no law that limits the power of President to take whatever time she wants and that there is no such thing as inordinate delay.
I also expect the high court to reject that and push it to Supreme court to decide. After all, the Supreme court has a precedent in the 1991 case when it deemed that even a delay of 2 years was unreasonable. Here a delay of 11 years is truly unconscionable.
The Indian Judicial system has to decide whether this case is so exceptional that even an inordinate delay is immaterial and that these convicts should hang because the crime is too great. They may also have to consider now on top of the inordinate delay, the role of the convicts in the crime and whether the original verdict is still valid and just.
Shree Garudaazhvaan In yesterday's program Aruna Gosamy insulted Vaiko until he stepped out of the program in frustration/Senthil, what is there to get frustrated? If Vaiko has strong point to defend the ban on Hanging and for these three to commute, why should he run away?
Don't you think, he missed the golden opportunity? Or is he fit for only thundering in Tamilnadu. Journalists will ask lot of questions. He should answer.Face the music.
If they have not committed crime, as Vaiko used to stress, why he ran away?
Mani Manivannan I was very impressed with Sajjad Lone who came across as a very balanced, diplomatic leader who could convey his points very well. VaiKo needs to learn to ignore the barbs. On TV you have to be mindful of what others say, but never forget to stick to your talking points, no matter what the provocations are. That is the requirement for modern politicians on TV. Looks like Vaiko is an old school pol who gets emotional. One needs to use all of that passion to positive use.
Vaiko had an opportunity to at least neutralize the negativity on national media. By walking about he lost that opportunity. Sigh.
Mani Manivannan And what Sajjad said about Tamil Nadu was accurate. Tamil Nadu in fact handled this issue in a very civilized manner in the assembly. For such an emotional issue, with all of the devastating impact of Chengodi's self immolation, it was conducted in an extremely civil manner - a unanimous resolution by the state's assembly speaks volumes. Vaiko had a great opportunity to present this case. And he fell for the trick his opponents played on him.
Shree Garudaazhvaan And he fell for the trick his opponents played on him.? Do u think, media is opponent to Vaiko, when beamed across the nation , live?I don't think so. Vaiko, Thiruma or anybody can not argue or claim these three are innocents and Swamy etc. are the real criminals. Vaiko and co are just paper tigers. Moreover, he is a good orator, lawyer and have thousands of followers. That is what it hurts me too.
If only he made the case for commutation today, may be it would have given a new lease of life to the protest also..In fact,neither Karunanithi, nor The Hindu did not say, the three were innocents. They just wanted to show their magnanimity and humane consideration...
that is subjective.. See, what is happening in other 21 mercy petitions case...
Mani Manivannan Shree, I don't think Vaiko and Thiruma are paper tigers. They are orators who with their passionate oration inspire followers in the Tamil milieu. Without them, there is no way this many people would have even spilled out on the streets. Without his passionate commitment, Ram J., wouldn't have come to argue the case. But neither are telegenic politicians and neither understand how to present on TV. S.Swamy comes across as a jerk on TV.
You should let him say the meanest things. Audiences don't like villains. Vaiko should have stuck to his talking points - acknowledge that the crime was dastardly, acknowledge that the supreme court did a decent job in releasing or commuting a lot of the accused, emphasize that the convicts have paid a heavy price already and there is no deterrence in executing them, emphasize that civilized nations have largely abandoned death penalty and show case the 1991 supreme court verdict on the inordinate delay of two years in processing the clemency petition.
What does the state get by executing these three now? Is this going to deter the next batch of suicide bombers targeting India?
Shree Garudaazhvaan Mani, today we do not need orators. We need leaders. If u need orators, then even Vetrikondan , Theepori , Nanjil Sampath are enough. Better or equal to them , but for vulgarity. Of course, they trigger violence...Thought without action or action without thought is meaningless.Those two speak a lot.One can not contest TN election ;another can not erase Congress from TN.In fact , he is thro DMK supporting Congress to survive.In fact, I reiterate their political insolvency.I don't agree with u.
Shree Garudaazhvaan If u say, their execution can rnot deter terrorism, andso non execution , Mani.Terrorism is now to be seen through prism called US.World is divided into two. One is US and allies.And other is non -US. India is internationally moving closer to US..and domestically moving towards minorities ,muslim dominating.Hence stuck up.Terrorism, thus we have to live with that. Capital Punishment or not , immaterial.
Ramanathan N Ramanathan Every Humanbeing makes mistakes in life, some become slips and some Fall. Instead of Capital Punishment it could be Life sentence so that as age also advances while in prison there is a likelyhood of their Civic or Humanitarian adoption. Why not give them a chance? But it should not be Politisized.
Senthil Kumar @Mani In that program they muted the audio when vaiko wanted to explain and given chance to su samy. Everytime when vaiko wanted to speak they refused him. Other thing these english media does is to project them as terrorists. Supreme court itself clarified this will not come under terrorism. This is a revenge against an individual. Thats why they moved this case out from TADA. Secondly they are not the killers of Rajiv. They are convicted for helping the killers, which is also a fabricated case. Medias now started creating sympathy wave for Rajiv to make people think hanging them is the justice. Su samy who is directly involved in this case is apprearing and arguing to hang them.
Amala Singh Senthil Kumar, I havent yet seen the comments earlier. It is our will that will prevail. Whether Supreme court or the President, we can who stop it full stop
Mani Manivannan Shree, it is not true that terrorism is seen through the American prism. Norway was attacked most recently by a home grown terrorist. But it didn't react like the Americans. In fact most of Europe, including Russia, have formally abolished death penalty and it is spreading.
U.S. is yet to recover from the 9/11 shock to its system. The rest of the world, in particular the U.K. that has seen a lot of terrorism, are not following the Americans in torture or death penalty.
Ram Kumar these medias r just hypocrites..... dont care abt thm... IF justice is to be done thn wat abt SARABJITH SINGH in pak prison
Bala Arun If 1 lac people surround Times of India offices in Chennai and Madurai, they will stop.
Iraiyanar Sk india want "the three " issue to takemore time...suddenly it is finished by the momentum given by senkodi...that is why the agents HINDU RAM,SU.SAMY,MANI IYER all jump into hot talk..they want us keep engaged in that..let us not be pray....ARISE...AWAKE..ACT..NOW..
Shree Garudaazhvaan If 1 lac people surround Times of India offices in Chennai and Madurai, they will stop.@Bala Arun..What else u know?U have no guts to face the questions...from media.. Shree Garudaazhvaan Mani,The rest of the world, in particular the U.K. that has seen a lot of terrorism, are not following the Americans in torture or death penalty...Britiain finished one round...of death penalty during the colonial rule and escaped somehow. Norway, I agree with u. But exception..I see what is generally prevailing...US will never be able to recover or restore to pre Sep11..since they keep on inventing or cultivating terrorism...The point is, even where death sentence is abolished, terrorism still leaps its head. In fact, Norway mediated for tigers..as if they were gandhians..
Now, the same Norway would have understood how Srilanka would have suffered in the hands of terrorists, called Tigers...And coming to Britain,since they are part and parcel of US, they can not be without the stigma..afterall, they can not say anything against Israel also...they are just paper tigers, no Impact...In fact, by mistake, one mexican was identified as terrorist in Britain, few years before, may be 3 years, and was instantly killed or executed...Let us see, how Assange is going to be treated..
Murugesh Ramiah Times now will do anything for its TRPs.....whether there is hysteria against the execution...and why are we bothered about times now.....they never even telecast even once the killings video in Sri Lanka......time to igonore some of the chattering idiot boxes
Murugesh Ramiah And if he creates hysteria against us Tamils....time for us Tamils to say we also need the right to self determination in India......
Murugesh Ramiah The tamils donot need to be part of India and suffer the indignities...time for all us to start the movement for self respect and self determination
Bala Arun @ Shree Garudaazhvaan These are not free and balanced media with any journalistic standard whatsoever. They are media mafia run for corporate greed and political power. There is a rate for every line of newsprint and every second of air time of coverage.
Everything is paid and political. If a TV channel says anything against a corporate group, next week they will cut down on ads and then the channel will come to 'terms'. Same is the case with political parties. Times NOW covered up when more than 1 lac Tamils were mercilessly massacred. Now, in the death penalty issue, they are waging a media war on us. They air biasedly moderated debates wiithout giving fair coverage for our side. They didnt utter a single word about the Amnesty international's charge that the enquiry under TADA was not fair and was not as per international standards.
They dont say for once that it is unfair to lock up someone for 20 years under the shadow of death and then hang them. We know how to face fair media and also how to fight these media mafia. S. Swamies, Chos, Manishankar Iyers, Shree Garudaazhvaans need not teach us. Finally if a media abetted the genocide of lacs of people, there is nothing wrong in a lac of people surrounding it and not letting it funtion IN THEIR LAND. Will jews let an anti-semitic media operate in Israel ?
Mani Manivannan Contrast Subramanian Swamy's behavior in a neutral show. Confronted by SubaVee, Swamy dodges questions about his own personal involvement ("oh, nobody investigated me or sued me!"), and he confidently declares "what we say will happen and these three would be hanged on Sep 9th") before running away from the show. It is obvious that he is not comfortable in Tamil nor in a channel that fawns on him. The question is why does ANYONE invite Swamy since he is an unelectable political non-entity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1CC82n0iI0
Shree Garudaazhvaan Was Suba Vee, elected one Mani?Swamy is not comfortable in Tamil, like DAYANITHI Maran...that is not the issue..AS long as Swamy stood the ground on Rajiv assassination case and on this three , he is honest. He is freely moving. In between DMK, ruled TN for 2 terms at least, since Rajiv assassination. My question, is, why this Swamy or that Swamy was not dragged in the court.As long as SC did not, pass a judgement against him,he is honest.If at that time, Dravidians did not have any evidence against him at that time, what were they doing in 20 years, when they were strongly supoorted by Tamil Diaspora from the day 1.I don't agree with you on your allegation against Swamy. Dravidians, or Tamil race failed to prove against him, in the court of Law. Even Prabakaran,did not refute their involvement in his life time.
Shree Garudaazhvaan The tamils donot need to be part of India and suffer the indignities...time for all us to start the movement for self respect and self determination@Murugesh..empty rhetoric..Even DMK and DK can not do this now..leave alone Vaiko..no impact.
Shree Garudaazhvaan We know how to face fair media and also how to fight these media mafia. S. Swamies, Chos, Manishankar Iyers, Shree Garudaazhvaans need not teach us. @Bala Arun, don't bend the rule to suit your convenience. Face the questions. Answer effectively. If you guys duck, that means something you are hiding. Please note,anyone who supports tiger has to stand on sticky wicket only. No other go..Then I can also Channel 4 is paid media..corrupt and concocted..I also know your English..
Bala Arun All indian bodies capable of doing an international investigation like CBI etc are under the control of the likes of Swamies. Why don't Samy or his 'race', voluntarily subject themselves to investgation. If they are really honest!
Bala Arun //don't bend the rule to suit your convenience. Face the questions.// :)) Which rule am I bending now? Don't blabber. Ask Swamy to face the questions in Tamil channel. If he needs a translator, he could have one. :)
Bala Arun //Then I can also Channel 4 is paid media// This is perfect English. ROTFL..
Shree Garudaazhvaan Why should they?Did the Tamil leader his highness Prabakaran, volunteer to submit himself, when he was declared as proclaimed offender?Did he come to India or your favourite Norway or through some mediator, subject himself, to clarify his stand on Rajiv killing?And of course, if the court issues summon, even Swamy can not escape.
Bala Arun ^^^ So you are agreeing that you behave same as an outlawed organization.
Shree Garudaazhvaan It is quite unfortunate that u hang on typo error.."say"is understood,..Why Tamil channel only?What were dravidians doing so far?Does not Vaiko know English?At least Swamy is not comfortable in TAMIL. We can understand..what is the use of interviewing him in tamil channel? I am going one step further...Why was he not dragged in the court, when Arivu was fighting his innocence in the court and frightened before police, to quote Osai Chella's blog?
Mani Manivannan Shree, I disagree. Vajpayee and Advani are all terrible on TV but that doesn't mean that they are poor leaders. I watched Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi do very poorly on the Ted Koppel's Night Line program in the U.S. Benjamin Natanyahu from Israel was a favorite on Night Line, but he was and is a terrible leader for Israel. Performance on TV and statesmanship are very different things.
Incidentally, Swami doesn't come across as an intellect, he just is boorish and arrogant. With certain audiences he would click. And TV loves such boorish fellows because they are entertaining to them. But he certainly doesn't come across as a Harvard scholar who informs.
Shree Garudaazhvaan The question , is not, outlawed or not...why, through his intermediaries in TN, did not find way to clarify his stand on this issue?
Shree Garudaazhvaan Swami doesn't come across as an intellect.. /Mani if so, how, come he withstands the rigidity of today's court....He is one man army. Spends most of the time in various courts..why nobody is able to challenge him?Why should the court gives long rope , even today?
Shree Garudaazhvaan Bala, go and check up with Tamil race champion DK supporting DMK, as to why, they recommended extending the ban on LTTE, unlike BJP, who demaded the lifting of the ban?What u guys were doing,as tamil champion?A big Zero?
Bala Arun who said DK and DMK are the champions of the Tamils? ;) The real champions are the grass root organizations that fight now
Shree Garudaazhvaan Mani, coming to Oration, Vajpayee was good..Now, he is aged and retired..He was good orator..Netanyahoo, Obama all are good orators..I like them..still, what is the use..they are perpetrating human rights violation in their own way...U know, reporter reports that Vaiko was in Advocate coat, when sitting with Ramjethmalani?So,Vaiko is advocate...only if he wears the dress...Useless...
Shree Garudaazhvaan I never say Bala, DK, DMK are champions..since they feel they have the copyright...Grass root organisations are no impact...herd mentality..Otherwise, May 2009 should not have happened.
Bala Arun // Otherwise, May 2009 should not have happened. // Yes true. At that time, we didnt have these organizations. We were less organized then. But May 2009 had been the turning point. Now the situation is very different and encouraging. We already see reverberations of this in geopolitics. (refer the report on Robert Blake's discussion with Eelam Tamils in US.). Who would have thought that Jaya who opposed the clemency for Nalini and who justified the genocidal war initially would pass a resolution for the clemency for these three now? Like it or not, Tamil nationalism is undergoing its great revival. 
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